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here we go
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everybody hello Mr President great time
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I love that house he has I love David's
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house what a house that made the biggest
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impression huh than you sir I heard you
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have a pretty nice house too yeah I have
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a we're in a nice house we like it's
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only worth 18 million right we like I
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know the judge said 18 million people
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said Palm Beach has gone down a long
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way hello
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everybody let your winners ride
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Rainman
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David and instead we open source it to
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the fans and they've just G
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crazy thanks so much for sitting down
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with us Mr President the all-in pods
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basically the the four of us having
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conversations it's kind of a spectrum of
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different views we got sort of like a
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little bit of some Fox News and then
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some msdnc at the same time so oh that's
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okay keeps it interesting yeah
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absolutely anyway tamamo and I we we had
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a great time at the at the fundraiser
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that we did a couple weeks ago I think
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it turned out great turned out great and
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I I heard the winlos brothers are
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actually announcing that they're
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donating a million dollars each in
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Bitcoin to you tomorrow so I think
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that's a great result to come out of it
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as well yeah got to meet them for the
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first time at your house and terrific
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terrific they they did well they might
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have started the whole thing I don't
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know I don't know I don't know if that
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court case was proper but uh they were
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very nice both of them absolutely really
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nice guys you know and I think maybe
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this is a good place to start in our
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conversation is you know one of the
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things I think we heard a lot at that
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dinner was just the the difficulty that
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people in business were having under
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this Biden Administration you got the
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crypto guys who just want a framework
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they just want the government to tell
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them how to operate and they can't get
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that you got no m&a happening right now
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in Tech
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the real estate guys they can't get
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loans because the interest rates are
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through the roof and there's a credit
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crunch so I think one of the common
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themes we just heard across that dinner
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was that it was just so hard to do
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business right now and I guess maybe a
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good place to start would just be you
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know what what's the number one thing
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maybe the top three things that you
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would do to kind of get things moving
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again you know if you're reelected so I
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say regulation regulation and taxes okay
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you I gave the biggest tax cut in the
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history of our country a lot to business
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it took it down from look as you know
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they were paying people companies were
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paying 40% 45% including state and city
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taxes in many cases and we got it down
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to 21% would like to get it down lower
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actually but uh we got it down and the
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revenues were were better than ever even
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with the lower rate we had a record
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record revenues which tells you a little
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bit about that but also the regulations
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and when I asked a lot of people a lot
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of big people a lot of corporate types
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big corporate types I said if you had
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your choice between just the taxes or
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just the regulations where did I do
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better he said the regulations I was the
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biggest cutter of regul in four years I
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cut more regulations at anybody by four
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no by far not not even close and when I
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spoke to different people about the
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regulation versus the taxes I I don't
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think I've ever had anybody say and the
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taxes were a massive cut you know from
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37 38% if you look at it just there to
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21% I don't think I ever had anybody say
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that the taxes were more important than
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the regulation Cuts I made it possible
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to build I made it possible to do things
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to invest I was able to get uh companies
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with a lot of money outside of the USA
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to bring that money back in you know we
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cut the rate and it was crazy the rate
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was like 55% so that means if they bring
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the money back they lose half that money
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before they even start but it was also
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uh impossible from a standpoint a
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structural standpoint a legal standpoint
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it was very hard and they were able to
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bring back I mean Apple's an example
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they brought hundreds of billions of
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dollars back from other countries into
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the United States and invested it here
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so uh but it's it's very interesting
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because I ask the question all the time
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which was more important and almost
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everybody said I did an even better job
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and I got the biggest tax cuts the
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biggest tax cuts bigger than the Reagan
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tax cuts but they found regulations and
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the regulation Cuts were even more
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effective and that's where we had the
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great economy and that's where we had
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the most jobs ever produced so there's
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this odd thing that happens in certain
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states where taxes keep going up and
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then you start to see the states break
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right productivity breaks crime goes up
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and quality of life goes down but then
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people don't understand that taxation
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and all of those things are correlated
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do you have an idea of why that is like
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why don't people understand universally
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that lower taxation is better for
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productivity well they don't understand
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it and it's such an interesting question
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because you look at some of these places
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like Chicago and New York and and la and
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so many more you know I'd hate to even
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mention the three because there are
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worse examples than that you look at
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what's happened in Oakland and you look
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at what's happened into some cities that
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are disappearing I mean they're
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literally just crime waves that nobody
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lives there except for criminals because
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you can't live there you can't survive
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there physically you can't survive there
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and when you look at the kind of crime
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that we're talking about and then they
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take the power away from the police the
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police can't do anything if they do
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anything to stop it they end up losing
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their pension their house their family
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they end up losing everything they get
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put in jail and we're not talking about
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the Rogue cops who do something really
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bad and should be taken care of badly
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you know be nasty you got to be nasty to
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them also but mostly I mean they they
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these people they want to really like
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99% they want to stop crime they hate to
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see it they're not allowed to even
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they're told not to do anything when you
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see a department store that was so proud
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they opened up a new store in a certain
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city and all of a sudden this over the
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last couple of years has happened this
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phenomena where 500 usually young people
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walk into the store and take everything
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they have masks on they walk out with
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television sets air conditioners they
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walk out with everything this is a new
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phenomena that's taking place and it's
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it's incredible uh look at drugstores
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look at what's going on like in New York
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you walk into a chain I've seen it twice
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I don't walk into too many drugstores
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but I used to love it I used to love to
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walk around and just look at what it is
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whether it's a drugstore or department
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store but they told me just a little
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while ago I had a meeting with some
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people and they say you walk into a
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drugstore in New York and everything's
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covered up with bars and glass and if
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you want just a little thing of aspirin
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or if you want to buy a toothbrush you
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have to wait a half an hour to get a
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clerk and they open up this vault and
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they give you a toothbrush or they give
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you it's how do you do business like
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that this is a phenomenon there's never
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been anything like this they didn't used
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to have theft of of even the most minor
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items they they had very little theft
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relatively speaking they didn't have
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theft but they had the police would
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arrest them if they did something today
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they don't they have limits sometimes if
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you steal less than $2,000 you don't get
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arrested so nobody steals more than
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$2,000 uh it's incredible when you see
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what's happened to the quality of life
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in our country and it's happened so
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quickly it's it's taken place so rapidly
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nobody's ever seen anything but you look
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at retail and I know the big deal it
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used to be a big deal when a department
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store moved into a city or you know a
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certain store opened up even in a town
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but it's usually the Democrat run big
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cities where this problem is taking
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place and I don't say that as a
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republican I just say you look at the 25
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cities the top problems they're just
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about all Dem Democrat the Democrat run
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and they're also High tax High
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regulation States yeah no cash bail all
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all of these different things that have
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taken place they're phenomena it's a
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phenomena what's what's going on
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nobody's ever seen anything like it and
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it has to be stopped it's a horrible
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quality of life and on top of that you
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can't walk to a store you end up getting
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shot or mugged or something the level of
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crime in the cities in these big cities
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is is out of control nobody has ever
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seen anything like it Mr Mr President
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can I can I just ask on your point about
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the tax cut Larry Summers made a comment
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the other day and I thought maybe you
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could respond to his tweet that the tax
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cuts coupled with the tariffs that
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you've proposed would cause a massive I
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think he called it the mother of all
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stagflation where you would have kind of
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inflation because of the tariffs you
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would have economic decline because more
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money would start to fund an increase in
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prices with tax coming down tax cuts
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being put in place can you maybe just
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comment on on on
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the comment made by Larry Summers and
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how we Implement tax cuts without
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inflation well let me say that I respect
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Larry Summers a lot he's been right
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about a lot of things and Obama and
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Biden have been wrong uh certain things
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that he said turned out to be true
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certain things and uh he really I do
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have a good respect for him he's a
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different kind of a guy and he speaks
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his mind I happen to be a big believer
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in tariffs because I think tariffs give
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you two things they give you economic
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gain but they also give you political
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gain if if a country is out of control
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and something having nothing to do with
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economics or having nothing to do with
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with money coming in or money going out
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but other things that are very political
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because there are a lot of other things
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involved in countries you have
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tremendous power over a country now not
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everybody can say that but we can
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because we're the big piggy bank but our
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piggy bank is going to get smaller and
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smaller all the time because we're
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losing power we're losing a lot of you
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know countries on the dollar I mean
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they're going like flies if we ever lose
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that that's the equivalent of losing a
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war that would be unbel that would
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really make us third world we have lost
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so many countries I looked the other day
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so Russia's gone uh you you take a look
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Ukraine doesn't sort of exist in a sense
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nobody knows what's going on there but
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when you look at China is essentially
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gone they're trying to get out of it
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they want they're a primary competitor
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uh uh Iran is not there the other day I
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read weest Saudi Arabia is is willing to
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now go in various different currencies
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onstead of the dollar this is a tragedy
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this is a big thing that's happening
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against our country and we cannot let
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that happen with tariffs it gives you a
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tremendous power as an example not to
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let that happen you say you want to do
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that we're going to put tariffs on your
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product coming into the United States
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but more importantly and and that's a
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big importance but probably of more
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importance is they tax us we ask them
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reciprocal trade I think we should have
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a reciprocal trade act if China's going
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to charge us a $100 tariff or 100% tarff
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on a car then we should say you're got
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to pay 100% to us you know I put on a
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large tariff on China cars coming in and
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it had a huge impact a huge positive
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impact but and Biden only is doing the
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electric cars I don't know why that is
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because the electric cars they're going
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to end up all being made in China by the
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way they're not going to be made here
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the United Auto Workers are going to
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take a blow like no unions between that
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and people coming in pouring into our
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country uh unions are getting absolutely
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decimated absolutely president Trump the
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reciprocal the reciprocal Act is I think
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a very important thing when these
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countries and I don't mean just China we
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have other countries you could take the
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European Union they don't want our farm
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product and they don't want our cars and
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they don't want anything we have a
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massive deficit right there but you
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could go with many countries and they
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essentially do things to us and we
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should do things to them basically it
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should be reciprocal one of the things
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we've talked about President Trump on
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this podcast a lot is the deficit under
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your Administration we added close to 8
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trillion under Biden it's going to be
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paradoxically about the same number
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seems incredibly unpopular in Washington
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to cut costs but that's something we're
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going to need to do what's your plan and
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it looks like you're going to win a
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second term here what's your plan in
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your second term to control spending can
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you get it under control is there the
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will in Washington to allow how you to
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do that well the biggest thing I think
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is growth because we can grow our way
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out as an example we have more Liquid
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Gold under our feet I used the term we
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have more oil we have more Wells we have
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more everything than anybody else when I
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started we were number three now we're
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number one we were number one he's going
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to keep it that way until after the
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election if they ever won the election
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there's no more oil coming out there's
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no more oil they were going down oil is
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what caused the inflation you'd have
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nothing coming out it would be a
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disaster so
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they were intelligent enough to let the
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the oil wells continue to go they're not
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happy about it but if this election were
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won by them I can tell you right now you
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would be we would see oil go through the
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roof because they would really close it
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up already they're taking out of the
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Strategic reserves just for politics
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because they want to try and keep the
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prices down as low as possible but the
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big thing we have tremendous growth
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potential and we have tremendous numbers
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of dollars that can be saved through a
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efficiency the way we're spending money
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hundreds of billions of dollars what
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Biden did with with the trillions of
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dollars that he borrowed for Co now I
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had a different situation we were
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getting ready to start paying off debt
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we were getting ready to make a lot we
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had the greatest economy in history I
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had to throw a lot of money at Co in
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order that we didn't end up in a 1929
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type depression which we could still end
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up in now because of what they've done
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but I threw a lot of money
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and we ended up not in a depression and
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then we ended up with a very strong you
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know we I ended up with a higher stock
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market than it was just previous to co
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coming in which was pretty much of a
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miracle according to most but we had to
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throw money out there in order to keep
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our country going we would have ended up
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if I didn't do that we would have ended
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up in a depression the problem is when
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Biden came in he took trillions and
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trillions of dollars for Co he didn't
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use it for Co he used it for other
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things but he took trillions of dollars
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out and that caused a lot of the
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inflation energy caused his energy
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policies caused inflation and his
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spending the The Unbelievable spending
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that they did caused inflation
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tremendous inflation and it's going to
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have an impact for a long time to come
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can you talk about your impoundment
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Authority intention you mentioned that
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in the past that you could go in and
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reduce the bureaucracy and the spend I
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always tell people my position going
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into the election is less that I'm
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interested in knowing what the
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government's going to do for me and I'm
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more interested in knowing what the
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government's going to stop doing that
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doesn't do any good for anyone and there
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seems to be a lot of that and I'm really
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curious to hear sir how you think about
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using the impoundment authority vested
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in you as president of the United States
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to reduce some of the bureaucracy
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wasteful spending and create
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accountability and what's you know is
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there a team that that you've built
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around you to help build a specific plan
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on backing out of some of these issues
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right we have a lot of money floating
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around that should be brought back into
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the government should be given back to
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DC to Washington as you know there was a
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lot of money given out over the last
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couple of years especially over the list
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my money was given out to help us with
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Co then they took money and they have no
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idea what they're even doing with it
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that money can be given back and it
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should be given back and things can be
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done with that money that are are
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positive but we have there are many many
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things I'll give you an example uh
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education we spend more on education per
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pupil than any other country we spend no
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numbers that are and yet we're we're
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terrible at it we're down at the bottom
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of the list and yet we're at the top of
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the list I would give I am going to very
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early in the administration we're going
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to send education back to the States
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we're going to give them approximately
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half the number of dollars and they're
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going to have so much money that like
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they've never had before because they
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can spend a fraction of what we're
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spending right now and have much better
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school systems as an example you go to
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very you could name many you go to
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Nebraska you go to Iowa you go to many
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states will do a far better job than
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we're doing right now and they'll do it
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for a fraction of the cost we'll save a
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tremendous amount of money and have
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better some states I don't believe will
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do a very good job but they can have to
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learn to but we have uh I would say most
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of our states will do a much better job
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I think all of them will do better than
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you can't do worse than what we're doing
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right now but all of them will do better
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but some will be absolutely
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education Factory in a positive sense
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factories
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we are going to close up education we'll
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have a tiny little group to make sure
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everyone's teaching at least English and
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perhaps proper math etc etc but very
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little Department of Education goes and
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education goes back to the States and
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where it belongs I mean where it
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absolutely belongs and you're going to
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save a lot of money uh you can look at
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interior with that you can look at uh
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environmental with a lot of that where
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the environment can be controlled by the
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states instead of this big bureaucracy
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in Washington DC I mean what do you do
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when China is burning all the coal and
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they're sending the co they're sending
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the ashes over the United States because
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that's what happens takes three and a
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half days and it blows over the United
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States in the meantime we're keeping
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things good we produce Clean Coal we're
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going to produce clean energy but we
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have to get back to energy we're
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spending trillions of dollars uh on
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artificial weak energy that's not going
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to to fire up our plants our plants have
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to be fired up we have a phenomena
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coming up right now and I was talking
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about it the other day to David and
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that's AI a little things simple two
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little simple letters but it's big and I
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realized the other day more than
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anything when we were at David's house
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and talking to a lot of geniuses from
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Silicon Valley and other places they
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need electricity at levels that nobody's
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ever experienced before to have to be
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successful to be a lead in AI the amount
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of electricity that needs like double
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what we have right now and even triple
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what we have right now they are they are
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it's incredible how much they need to be
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the leader and we're going to have to be
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able to do that and a windmill turning
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with its blade knocking out the birds
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and everything else is not going to be
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able to make us competitive you'll have
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China about what about what about
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nuclear Mr President yeah so let me just
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give you a statistic on this China
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building 150 nuclear reactors and
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they're only spending about $2,500 a
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kilowatt in the US we're not building
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any and our cost to build them is about
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$10,000 bucks a kilowatt and China's
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about to build as much capacity as 20%
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of the total us production in nuclear we
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clearly have a problem here in nuclear
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we do and uh nuclear is okay with me and
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what we're doing is you know if you look
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at Alabama you look at a couple of
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states where they built these plants and
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they had Coast overruns that are
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nobody's ever seen anything like it
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where they're costing 25 billion doll to
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build a plant there were a couple of
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them built in the South I won't mention
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the places but you know the places and
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they came out at numbers at I think the
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most expensive things ever built in our
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country and the inspectors would go in
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they say those walls aren't thick enough
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knock them down and build another wall
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and you know the environmental people
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were brutal you know in France and in
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other places where they do have a lot of
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nuclear they build small plants all the
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same and if they need double the amount
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they'll build two of them as opposed to
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the nonsense that we've done where we
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build these massive plants and they
00:20:02
never get built and they have cost
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overruns of of 3 4 500% nobody's ever
00:20:07
seen anything like it no I'm okay with
00:20:09
nuclear but you have to do it in a way
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that makes sense and they they have
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nuclear applications today that can be
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built and can be built reasonably
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inexpensively but nuclear certainly is
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very strong power can I shift the
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conversation of foreign policy just for
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a minute just make sure we get we get
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time to talk about foreign policy is
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that okay with you guys yes Mr President
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I've really appreciated your your
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comment saying that you want to bring a
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peace deal to the war in Ukraine so that
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people stop dying and I wholeheartedly
00:20:36
agree with with that sentiment but I've
00:20:38
seen that Emanuel macron the president
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of France is talking about actually
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putting NATO troops or French troops in
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Ukraine as potentially a next step and
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that could be a tripwire for more NATO
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troops coming in can you guarantee that
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no matter what you're not going to put
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American boots on the ground in Ukraine
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is that something you can say
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definitively gu it I wouldn't do it no
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it's different for France you know
00:21:02
they're neighbors more or less we have
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an ocean in between it's different for
00:21:06
Germany although Germany's much less
00:21:08
involved than they should be and other
00:21:10
countries but uh you know we have a big
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ocean in between one of the things I
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think is so unfair David I think it's
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terrible is that we're giving probably
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we're at least a hundred billion dollar
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more than Europe meaning Europe as as a
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whole put together and the economies are
00:21:27
similar size Believe it or not that put
00:21:29
together and us is about a very similar
00:21:32
economy size but it's much more
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important for them it's important for
00:21:36
everyone you have to have look this
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would have never happened if I were
00:21:40
president it would have never Putin
00:21:42
would have never done it and it happened
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for two reasons it also happened because
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oil went through the roof and he had he
00:21:48
had all this money to prosecute the war
00:21:51
but the oil was at a much lower level
00:21:54
the price of oil he wouldn't have been
00:21:55
able to afford the war all of a sudden
00:21:57
when it hit almost $100 a barrel he said
00:22:00
you know I mean he he's one of the few
00:22:02
to make money during a war because the
00:22:04
oil has gone and it stayed very high
00:22:06
it's extremely high right now and it's
00:22:08
going up oil prices all over the country
00:22:10
are going up as you probably have
00:22:11
noticed but yeah I will tell you that
00:22:14
would have never happened Ukraine would
00:22:16
have ha never happened uh the Israeli
00:22:18
attack would have never happened and
00:22:20
inflation would have never happened
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those are three big things inflation
00:22:23
would have never happened but with
00:22:25
Ukraine and now it's very much uh look
00:22:29
Ukraine is now I read the other day
00:22:31
where they don't have the soldiers they
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don't have the Manpower they want to use
00:22:35
uh children they want to use old people
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very old people people that are not
00:22:40
really perhaps uh equipped to fight uh
00:22:44
they're not the average age of their
00:22:45
Soldier is like 43 now so they're
00:22:47
running out of they're literally running
00:22:48
out of people to make a peace deal there
00:22:50
would you be willing to take NATO
00:22:52
expansion off the table if that's what
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it took to get the Russians and the
00:22:56
ukrainians to make a deal would you be
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willing to do that for 20 years I heard
00:22:59
that NATO if Ukraine goes into NATO it's
00:23:02
a real problem for Russia I've heard
00:23:04
that for a long time and I think that's
00:23:07
really why this war started I'm not sure
00:23:09
that this war would have started uh
00:23:11
Biden was saying all of the wrong things
00:23:13
and one of the wrong things he was
00:23:15
saying no Ukraine will go into NATO
00:23:17
that's one of the many things he said
00:23:19
when I listen to him speak I said this
00:23:22
guy is going to start a war because as
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you know for four years there was never
00:23:26
even talk of Russia going into to
00:23:29
Ukraine that would have never happened
00:23:30
Russia was not going to attack Ukraine
00:23:33
as soon as I got out they started to
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form along the lines and I thought that
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Putin maybe will he's a good negotiator
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I thought he was going to be doing that
00:23:40
for negotiation purposes then all of a
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sudden they attacked and I said what's
00:23:44
going on here but if you look at the
00:23:46
rhetoric from Biden uh he he was saying
00:23:50
the opposite of what in my opinion you
00:23:52
had to say the things he was saying and
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he's still saying it he's saying things
00:23:56
that are so crazy inflammatory yeah I
00:24:00
100% agree and you know it turns out
00:24:02
that the month before the Russians
00:24:03
invaded blinkin told lavro that the
00:24:07
administration was not only going to
00:24:09
bring Ukraine into NATO but that they
00:24:11
thought it was okay for the United
00:24:12
States to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine
00:24:15
so no wonder the Russians hit the roof I
00:24:17
mean you talk about uh provocation well
00:24:20
let's say you were running Russia you
00:24:22
wouldn't be too happy and that's always
00:24:23
been off the table you know they're it's
00:24:26
a border and it's always been you know I
00:24:29
don't think that they would have if they
00:24:31
thought that that was going to remain
00:24:33
sort of a territory where you don't have
00:24:35
NATO but they don't want to have
00:24:37
soldiers right on their border they
00:24:38
don't want to have it it's always been
00:24:39
understood and that's even before Putin
00:24:42
uh it's always been understood that that
00:24:44
was a no no and now you can go against
00:24:47
their wishes and it doesn't mean they're
00:24:48
right when they say that but that was
00:24:51
very provocative and now it's even more
00:24:53
provocative and they're talking about uh
00:24:55
I hear routinely they're now talking
00:24:57
about Ukraine entering NATO and now I
00:25:00
hear France wants to go in a fight well
00:25:02
I wish him a lot of luck I think good
00:25:04
luck sir can I ask you about Israel
00:25:07
Palestine so after October 7th what's
00:25:11
the right path to just resolve this once
00:25:13
and for all and just move forward again
00:25:15
it's so sad to me because it would have
00:25:17
never happened Iran was broke they had
00:25:21
no money I sanctioned countries that
00:25:24
wanted to buy oil from Iran and I would
00:25:26
have made a fair deal with Iran I was
00:25:28
going to get along with Iran I was going
00:25:30
to get along with everybody we did the
00:25:32
Abraham Accords I think eventually Iran
00:25:34
would have been in the Abraham Accords
00:25:36
we had four strong countries go in and
00:25:40
nobody went in since I got out that
00:25:42
whole thing should have been loaded up
00:25:43
right now would have it should have been
00:25:44
full they did nothing with the Abraham
00:25:47
Accords that everybody said were great
00:25:49
they said we're going to get the
00:25:50
Ultimate Prize because of that it was
00:25:52
amazing if anybody else did it if a
00:25:54
Democrat did it they would have they
00:25:56
would have gotten what they would have
00:25:58
gotten every prize in the book every
00:26:00
prize in the book but I did it and it
00:26:03
was a great thing that we did it was a
00:26:04
phenomenal thing but when you look at
00:26:06
what happened now and you see what's
00:26:08
going on it's very very very very sad
00:26:11
that attack would have never happened in
00:26:12
a million years Iran didn't have the
00:26:15
money for Hamas they didn't have the
00:26:17
money for Hezbollah they didn't have the
00:26:18
money for any of the 28 other cells of
00:26:21
Terror or whatever you want to call them
00:26:24
Iran was broke I say respectfully they
00:26:27
had no money and they weren't given
00:26:29
money and actually it was a big story
00:26:30
when I was uh toward the end of my term
00:26:33
there was a lot of big stories that
00:26:35
there was no Terror going on because
00:26:37
Iran didn't have the money they had to
00:26:39
survive we would have made a deal good
00:26:42
for everybody everybody would have been
00:26:44
happy the main thing is Iran can't have
00:26:46
a nuclear weapon that was my main thing
00:26:48
the deal was a simple deal Iran can't
00:26:50
have a nuclear you know it can't have a
00:26:53
missile can't have a nuclear missile it
00:26:55
cannot have that nuclear
00:26:57
capability other than that we talk about
00:26:59
everything they would have been very
00:27:00
happy it would have been fine and you
00:27:03
would have had peace in the Middle East
00:27:04
the problem is I had them at a point
00:27:06
where you could have negotiated a child
00:27:08
could have made a deal with them and
00:27:10
Biden did nothing he did nothing a child
00:27:13
he doesn't like to negotiate a young man
00:27:16
that knew nothing or a young woman that
00:27:18
knew nothing in kindergarten could have
00:27:19
made a deal with Iran at that time
00:27:22
because they wanted to make a deal and
00:27:24
Biden never took advantage of it now
00:27:27
they put back no sanctions all of the
00:27:29
different things that they gave them
00:27:31
China buys billions and billions of
00:27:33
dollars of oil every month many billions
00:27:35
of dollars a month other people are
00:27:38
buying so Iran now has $250 billion cash
00:27:42
they made it all in three and a half
00:27:44
years and now they're much tougher to
00:27:46
deal with and I will tell you I got
00:27:48
along great with Kim Jong-un we solved
00:27:51
that problem but nobody was in danger
00:27:53
but this is a big problem this is a real
00:27:55
problem and within 90 days or so they're
00:27:57
going to have and could have very well a
00:27:59
nuclear weapon and Israel is a big is a
00:28:03
big difference in Israel between Iran
00:28:05
with a nuclear weapon and Iran without a
00:28:07
nuclear weapon and lots of luck in that
00:28:10
negotiation that's going to be a much
00:28:11
more difficult negotiation president
00:28:13
Trump I I wanted to ask you a question
00:28:16
about uh roie Wade you promised uh your
00:28:19
base that you would overturn roie Wade
00:28:21
you added three people to the Supreme
00:28:23
Court and you delivered on that promise
00:28:25
this might be the issue that determines
00:28:27
the election and many people believe it
00:28:29
is are you going to do a National
00:28:32
Abortion ban would you support that yes
00:28:34
or no so uh I don't need a national ban
00:28:37
because it's up to the states right now
00:28:39
what I did is something that people have
00:28:41
wanted to do for from day one 51 years
00:28:44
it's been going on and if you remember
00:28:47
over the years you're too young but over
00:28:49
the years all they wanted to do is they
00:28:51
wanted to make take it out of the
00:28:53
federal government and move it into the
00:28:55
states and I got that done with the
00:28:57
selection of three great justices I got
00:28:59
it done and it was a big thing but I
00:29:02
will say over the last 10 years or maybe
00:29:04
a little bit more than that they started
00:29:06
talking about the number of weeks and
00:29:08
this and that a lot of different
00:29:09
subjects came in it was no longer just
00:29:11
simply bringing it back every legal
00:29:14
scholar from Democrat to Republican
00:29:17
liberal conservative they all wanted it
00:29:19
brought given to the States because from
00:29:21
a legal standpoint from a lot of other
00:29:24
standpoints including even a moral
00:29:26
standpoint they wanted it brought back
00:29:28
to the States and what I did is I got it
00:29:31
back to the States and now the states
00:29:34
are in charge and the people are voting
00:29:37
and some votes are coming out the way
00:29:40
certain people wanted and some votes
00:29:41
aren't coming out the way certain people
00:29:43
wanted I mean if you look at Ohio I
00:29:45
would say it was a more liberal vote
00:29:47
than people would have thought and you
00:29:49
could say that for Kansas and then you
00:29:50
look at Texas it was a different story
00:29:53
but the people of the states have got
00:29:56
that issue now and they voting and the
00:29:59
one thing that we have to remember that
00:30:01
there's been a lot of radicalism talked
00:30:03
about and the radicalism is really on
00:30:05
the left because they're willing to do
00:30:07
abortions in the eighth and ninth month
00:30:10
month and even beyond that I mean we
00:30:12
have some people the governor take a
00:30:14
look at the governor of Virginia the
00:30:16
former governor of Virginia where he
00:30:18
talked about we will kill the baby after
00:30:21
the baby is born that's a very radical
00:30:24
stance and hopefully that's all going to
00:30:26
be taken off the table now but just to
00:30:28
put it simply it's now up to the states
00:30:31
and like Ronald Reagan I'm a Believer in
00:30:33
the exceptions the three exceptions as
00:30:35
you know and rape incest life of the
00:30:37
mother uh the danger for the life of the
00:30:40
mother and we have uh a situation now
00:30:44
where it's in the state's hands and the
00:30:46
states are going to be uh voting the
00:30:48
last thing people want the people are
00:30:51
going to be voting the last thing people
00:30:52
want is for that to go back into the
00:30:54
federal government it was always fought
00:30:57
and very importantly and people wanted
00:30:59
it they wanted it back in the States
00:31:01
where it belongs legally and for a lot
00:31:03
of other reasons so you wouldn't support
00:31:05
a national ban no I wouldn't support a
00:31:07
national ban no I would not just
00:31:09
shifting back to foreign policy for a
00:31:11
moment Mr President on the relationship
00:31:14
with China it's funny how Democrats and
00:31:16
Republicans seem to have a unified voice
00:31:18
and banging the drums on the the rise of
00:31:22
China do you think that war with China
00:31:26
is inevitable and if not how do we avoid
00:31:28
it I think it's not inevitable I think
00:31:30
it's
00:31:31
unlikely uh I know president XI very
00:31:34
well and we got a long grade until Co
00:31:36
then I wasn't so happy with them because
00:31:38
they gave it to us I said it came from
00:31:39
the Wuhan lab I was right about that uh
00:31:42
they said then it started in Italy and
00:31:44
then it started in France it started
00:31:46
everywhere but there but it started in
00:31:48
China and it was a uh many many millions
00:31:52
of people died all over the world and
00:31:54
cost the world probably $60 trillion
00:31:57
which is more money than China has and
00:31:59
more money than anybody has the death
00:32:01
and Destruction has been unbelievable
00:32:04
but I think it's I think it's high if
00:32:06
you have the right president uh we can
00:32:09
live at peace with China we can do very
00:32:10
well with China compete with China but
00:32:13
we don't have the right president right
00:32:15
now he's not respected by China he's
00:32:17
being laughed at by China and he's a
00:32:19
Manchurian Candidate I mean he's
00:32:21
received money from China his family and
00:32:23
that makes him to me uh somebody that
00:32:25
shouldn't be negotiating he's got a
00:32:27
conflict of interest uh but no I don't
00:32:30
see war with China as being inevitable
00:32:32
at all president Trump do you think that
00:32:35
fouchi and our government funded gain of
00:32:37
function research and do you think we
00:32:39
should really be pursuing the
00:32:42
investigation deeply into that and if we
00:32:44
did fund gain of function research what
00:32:46
does that say about our government and
00:32:50
taking ownership of it because a lot of
00:32:52
us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to
00:32:54
school and uh it caused economic damage
00:32:58
as you pointed out earlier the amount of
00:32:59
money you had to spend to try to avoid a
00:33:01
depression was really severe and if we
00:33:04
funded that what does that make you
00:33:06
think about our government and then
00:33:07
fouchy covering it up if that is in fact
00:33:10
true what does that make you think about
00:33:12
our government so if you remember I'm
00:33:14
the one that stopped it and I stopped it
00:33:16
maybe for a lucky reason or an unusual
00:33:19
reason I said why are we paying money to
00:33:21
China it wasn't about gain of function
00:33:24
or anything else it was why are we
00:33:25
paying money to China China's got a lot
00:33:27
of money
00:33:28
and they're doing fine you know we're
00:33:30
considered like uh they want us to
00:33:33
consider them a growing Nation a a
00:33:36
nation in distress all sorts of things
00:33:38
because they always take advantage of
00:33:39
every treaty by saying that they need
00:33:42
you know they're uh an improving Nation
00:33:45
I heard the other day they have all
00:33:47
different terms for changing but they're
00:33:49
a growing Nation well we're a growing
00:33:51
Nation too We're a nation that's
00:33:53
becoming a third world nation based on
00:33:55
what we're seeing but I was the one that
00:33:57
sto St that when I saw that I was the
00:33:59
one that stopped that uh the fouchy
00:34:01
thing is an interesting phenomena uh
00:34:04
he's a much I was not a big fan of his
00:34:07
as you know he said no let everybody
00:34:09
come in from China I overrode him on
00:34:11
that I overrode him on a lot but he
00:34:14
wanted the people from China when I
00:34:16
heard about this I stopped it we had a
00:34:18
room loaded up with people and nobody
00:34:20
could even believe it but I stopped it
00:34:22
we would have lost hundreds of thousands
00:34:24
of people more maybe more much more
00:34:27
maybe over the the millions but hundreds
00:34:29
of thousands of people more had I not
00:34:31
stopped people coming in from China did
00:34:33
he lie to you about the origin of Co
00:34:36
well I've always said the origin was uh
00:34:39
you know where it came from where it
00:34:40
originally came from was the Wuhan lab I
00:34:43
happen to think it escaped from the
00:34:44
Wuhan lab I mean I don't believe it came
00:34:46
from uh the bats and 2,000 miles away
00:34:49
caves I don't believe it came from other
00:34:52
countries as China tried to convince
00:34:54
people it did uh I thought it should
00:34:56
have been called the China virus because
00:34:58
it was a very much more accurate term
00:35:00
than Co nobody knows what Co even means
00:35:02
why is it co uh but uh no I was always
00:35:06
uh but did fouchi lie to you I guess is
00:35:09
what the American people want to know
00:35:10
did fouchy lie to you and if he did
00:35:11
should he be prosecuted I don't think uh
00:35:14
I dealt you have to understand fouchy
00:35:16
was a much bigger factor in the Biden
00:35:17
Administration than he was in the Trump
00:35:19
Administration I didn't rely on him that
00:35:21
much cuz I didn't trust him uh I would
00:35:24
say got along with him fine not really
00:35:28
but I didn't trust him and again I was
00:35:31
the one that stopped the money going to
00:35:32
China I didn't like it I didn't stop it
00:35:35
because of covid I didn't stop it
00:35:37
because of anything other than why are
00:35:39
we paying money to China it was strange
00:35:42
they should pay us money we shouldn't
00:35:44
pay them money one of the things I can
00:35:46
tell you the World Health Organization
00:35:49
so we pay them almost $500 million and
00:35:53
China pays him $39 million and so I got
00:35:57
out of the world World Health
00:35:58
Organization they did absolutely nothing
00:36:00
they called it totally wrong I got out
00:36:02
they called me and they said we'll do
00:36:04
anything to keep you in anything
00:36:06
anything I said well why are they paying
00:36:08
39 million we're paying almost 500
00:36:10
million and they said well we'll work
00:36:12
out a deal where you could pay much less
00:36:15
I said well now you're starting to talk
00:36:17
but even that it was very popular when I
00:36:19
got out it was a very politically it
00:36:21
would have been very hard to go back in
00:36:23
people were thrilled that I got out I
00:36:25
could have made a deal to go in for $30
00:36:27
million they offered me a deal to go in
00:36:29
for 39 million and I actually turned it
00:36:31
down I said you know it should be a
00:36:33
third it should be if you look at we're
00:36:35
350 million and they're at 1.4 billion
00:36:38
people right so it should have been 25%
00:36:40
or less than that but I didn't want to
00:36:42
quibble but I could have gone back in
00:36:45
immediately for $39 million as opposed
00:36:47
to
00:36:48
500 then a a horrible horrible election
00:36:52
which helped destroy our country took
00:36:54
place in 2020 and they went back in
00:36:58
and they're paying more than $5500
00:37:00
million and they knew I could have made
00:37:02
a deal now it's a lot of money not when
00:37:05
you talk about the world but it's still
00:37:07
a lot of money and it but it shows you
00:37:09
the stupidity of the whole thing they
00:37:11
could have made a deal for 39 million
00:37:14
instead they're paying much more than
00:37:16
they paid even before and that's the way
00:37:19
the mindset of our country is and here's
00:37:21
the big part China totally controls the
00:37:25
wh China totally controls them we have
00:37:29
very little control over them and now
00:37:31
they want to give control over our whole
00:37:32
country to them which would be a
00:37:34
terrible mistake fouchi brings up sort
00:37:37
of the kind of deep State personality
00:37:39
that you talked about in 2016 that's
00:37:41
kind of like riddled all over the
00:37:43
government how much progress do you
00:37:44
think you made and how what do you want
00:37:46
to do if you become president in
00:37:48
November and do you have goals around
00:37:50
the Deep State this time around and what
00:37:52
are they well I have a lot of things I
00:37:54
mean I did a lot of things in the FBI I
00:37:56
fired a lot of of their top people
00:37:58
including Comey who's terrible at what
00:38:00
he did a terrible person and terrible at
00:38:03
what he did uh I fired mcab and you know
00:38:06
I don't have to go through Lisa and
00:38:08
struck in all of the the lovers and I
00:38:11
fired the whole group of people I got
00:38:13
rid of them and uh and you know so many
00:38:16
of the agents are so incredible in the
00:38:17
FBI down below but uh we got rid of a
00:38:20
lot we uh you take a look at the World
00:38:23
Health again we got out of the World
00:38:25
Health we got out of the this is a
00:38:27
similar thing that you know this is
00:38:29
really similar to your answer but we got
00:38:31
out of the World Health Organization
00:38:32
which was a tremendous thing we got rid
00:38:34
of the Paris Accord the Paris Accord was
00:38:38
a disaster for us we were going to pay a
00:38:40
trillion dollars and other countries
00:38:42
were paying nothing Russia was paying
00:38:45
nothing China was paying nothing it
00:38:47
didn't even kick in for China until 2030
00:38:49
whereas with us it kicked in immediately
00:38:52
so I got rid of the Paris Accord I did a
00:38:55
lot of things having to do with not only
00:38:57
people but tremendous amounts of money
00:39:00
because the Paris Accord was so unfair
00:39:04
and I said you know when I do this
00:39:06
people are not going to like it but I
00:39:07
have to do it because it's right people
00:39:09
loved it the public understood it they
00:39:12
loved it and now they've gone back into
00:39:14
the Paris Accord at the same terms and
00:39:16
even worse than the terms I got out it's
00:39:19
really a shame it's so many things it's
00:39:21
so sad to see so many things like I mean
00:39:23
the wh the Paris Accord you take a look
00:39:27
at the things they could have gone back
00:39:29
if they wanted to go back if they had it
00:39:31
they could have gone back for a fraction
00:39:33
of what they were doing and they're very
00:39:35
unfair to the United States we're like a
00:39:37
lap dog for every other country Mr
00:39:40
President I I know you've running out of
00:39:42
time here so but we haven't had a chance
00:39:43
to for you to speak to the Border
00:39:45
situation yet so I want to give you a
00:39:46
chance to to address that because that's
00:39:48
always been really one of the your main
00:39:51
issues since all the way since 2016 you
00:39:54
wanted to build a wall the Democrats did
00:39:55
everything they could to thwart that you
00:39:57
built the the wall but then Biden left a
00:40:00
bunch of holes in it and then sold off
00:40:01
the parts for scrap metal and now we've
00:40:03
had the pro and repealed your executive
00:40:05
order so I want to give you a chance to
00:40:06
speak to that just but one piece I want
00:40:08
to just add in uh as a follow-up
00:40:10
question is a lot of tech CEOs say uh if
00:40:14
we fix the Border can we get more h-1bs
00:40:16
for Tech workers so can you address that
00:40:19
as well as what's going on at the border
00:40:21
yes so uh we built hundreds of miles of
00:40:23
well David as you know and uh we're very
00:40:25
proud of it we did it as per
00:40:27
specification by the border patrol they
00:40:29
wanted exactly the wall that we did with
00:40:30
the climb paddle on top with steel
00:40:33
concrete and then rebar and all of the
00:40:35
things and they wanted they wanted to
00:40:36
have Vision through it clearly through
00:40:38
it and because I thought about concrete
00:40:41
plank frankly going up 40 or 50 feet and
00:40:43
they they didn't like that they wanted
00:40:45
to have Vision through and I understood
00:40:47
that too uh I sort of disagreed with it
00:40:50
but that's okay we actually brought
00:40:51
climbers in Mount Everest climbers to
00:40:53
climb and and we built a very hard wall
00:40:56
to climb it's it's a very effective wall
00:40:58
uh and we built uh hundreds of miles and
00:41:02
then we were going to add quite a bit at
00:41:04
the very end and we we bought about 200
00:41:08
additional miles and it was ready to be
00:41:11
put up could have been put up in three
00:41:13
weeks maybe four weeks and areas that
00:41:16
were rough areas that were people coming
00:41:19
in because as you build the wall they go
00:41:20
in different areas right they go further
00:41:22
out uh the it was so effective it was so
00:41:26
effective Mexico gave us a lot of troops
00:41:29
for free because of a certain
00:41:30
negotiation that I had with them you
00:41:32
heard that but it was so effective the
00:41:34
wall but Biden they didn't want to put
00:41:38
up those slats that were going up
00:41:40
routinely by us that means you had gaps
00:41:43
you had as an example you had gates in
00:41:46
certain area that we put up we were
00:41:48
going to put up big powerful Gates that
00:41:50
we could open and uh you could let
00:41:52
equipment through etc etc if you needed
00:41:54
it and they got rid of of everything
00:41:58
they sold it for 5 cents on the dollar
00:42:00
much of it 5 cents on the dollar I said
00:42:03
I can't believe it and that's the first
00:42:04
time that I said they're serious they
00:42:06
actually won open borders they won an
00:42:08
open border nobody could believe it I
00:42:10
couldn't believe it because I never
00:42:12
believe they wanted an open border
00:42:14
because who would be stupid enough to
00:42:15
want an open border look what's happened
00:42:17
with an open border I was very proud of
00:42:19
that we built we had the safest Border
00:42:20
in the history of our country and now we
00:42:22
have the worst Border in the history of
00:42:24
the world we had a safe border I had a
00:42:27
in Mexico policy uh catch and release in
00:42:30
Mexico not in the United States
00:42:32
everything was so good but the remain in
00:42:34
Mexico is a big deal not easy to get but
00:42:37
it was a big deal they were in Tiana
00:42:39
hundreds of thousands of people they had
00:42:41
to be approved to come into our country
00:42:43
and now you look at what's happened
00:42:45
we've been overrun it's an invasion of
00:42:48
our country by people many people come
00:42:50
out of jails and prisons they come out
00:42:52
of mental institutions insane asylums
00:42:55
and we have terrorists coming into our
00:42:56
country at a level that we've never seen
00:42:59
before it's a very sad I never
00:43:00
understood why the wall was so
00:43:02
controversial you know every country
00:43:03
needs to have a border and a wall is a
00:43:05
really good way to enforce a border I
00:43:07
never understood why they were so
00:43:10
animated about stopping you from
00:43:12
building the wall after you ran on that
00:43:14
issue in 2016 they held you up for years
00:43:16
with litigation and then like you said
00:43:19
they wouldn't just finish the little
00:43:20
pieces of it and they left big holes in
00:43:22
it and I think you're right the only
00:43:24
conclusion is they want an open border I
00:43:26
mean how else do you EXP like that they
00:43:27
want to destroy our country you know the
00:43:29
fact is it's it's incredible the big
00:43:32
mistake I made I should have said I will
00:43:35
not build a wall we do not want a wall
00:43:39
and that wall would have gone up in 15
00:43:41
minutes the more important point I think
00:43:44
Mr President is we need high-skilled
00:43:47
workers in this country we need to
00:43:49
recruit the best and brightest from the
00:43:51
world every time we get somebody super
00:43:53
intelligent from India or Europe any
00:43:55
country that's immigrant sir yeah and
00:43:58
three of the four here are immigrants um
00:44:00
the ones without the tithe and we can
00:44:02
get these great people into our country
00:44:05
and that's a loss for our adversaries
00:44:07
and our competitors and it's a gain for
00:44:09
us but I've never heard you talk about
00:44:11
this can you please promise US you will
00:44:14
give us more ability to import the best
00:44:17
and brightest around the world to
00:44:18
America I do promise but I happen to
00:44:20
agree that's why I promise otherwise I
00:44:22
wouldn't promise let me just tell you
00:44:24
that it's so sad when we lose people
00:44:26
from Harvard MIT from the greatest
00:44:29
schools and lesser schools that are
00:44:31
phenomenal schools also and what I
00:44:34
wanted to do and I would have done this
00:44:35
but then we had to solve the covid
00:44:37
problem because that came in and you
00:44:38
know sort of dominated for a little
00:44:40
while as you perhaps know but what I
00:44:43
want to do and what I will do is you
00:44:45
graduate from a college I think you
00:44:47
should get automatically as part of your
00:44:48
diploma a green card to be able to stay
00:44:51
in this country and that includes junior
00:44:53
colleges too anybody graduates from a
00:44:55
college you go in there for two years or
00:44:57
four years if you graduate or you get a
00:44:59
doctorate degree from a college you
00:45:01
should be able to stay in this country
00:45:02
and you know more stories than I do but
00:45:04
I know of stories where people graduated
00:45:07
from a top college or from a college and
00:45:10
they desperately wanted to stay here
00:45:11
they had a plan for a company a concept
00:45:14
and they can't they go back to India
00:45:16
they go back to China they do the same
00:45:19
basic company in those places and they
00:45:21
become multi-billionaires employing
00:45:23
thousands and thousands of people and it
00:45:25
could have been done here and a big
00:45:27
example is you they you need a pool of
00:45:30
people to work for your companies you
00:45:31
have great companies and they have to be
00:45:33
smart people not everybody can be uh
00:45:35
less than smart you need brilliant
00:45:37
people and we force the brilliant people
00:45:40
the people that graduate from college
00:45:42
the people that are number one in their
00:45:44
class from the best colleges you have to
00:45:46
be able to recruit these people and keep
00:45:48
the people it was such a big deal
00:45:50
somebody graduates at the top of the
00:45:52
class they can't even make a deal with a
00:45:54
company because they don't think they're
00:45:55
going to be able to stay in the country
00:45:57
that is going to end on day one that's
00:46:00
fantastic yeah that's great well I think
00:46:02
we all wholeheartedly agree with that
00:46:04
being being in the being in the tech
00:46:05
industry we we understand the importance
00:46:07
of that they're telling us that you have
00:46:08
to go to den president so thank you so
00:46:10
much for spending so much time with us
00:46:11
we really appreciate it it's been great
00:46:13
having this conversation Sor I'm sorry I
00:46:15
have to I have to ask one question sir
00:46:18
when you got elected in 20 in the 2016
00:46:21
election you said the first thing or one
00:46:22
of the things you wanted to do was
00:46:24
release the JFK file and then you said
00:46:27
later I saw it and I just I wasn't
00:46:29
really ready to do it and then I saw a
00:46:31
clip where you changed your mind and you
00:46:33
said I think we're ready to see this
00:46:35
file and I'm just curious what's in it
00:46:39
what us right what happened like what I
00:46:42
actually did do it uh I released a lot
00:46:45
as you know but when it came to the
00:46:48
whole thing I was hit by some people
00:46:49
that worked for me that are great people
00:46:51
that you would respect and they asked me
00:46:53
not to do it and I'm saying why tell me
00:46:55
why and they said sir I think it needs a
00:46:58
little more time and I released a lot
00:47:01
but I said if they feel so strongly I
00:47:03
respect the people and would would have
00:47:06
done that again but this time I'm just
00:47:08
going to do it RFK says the CIA killed
00:47:11
his his um uncle do you believe that
00:47:13
well this wasn't CIA that asked me but I
00:47:15
think CIA was probably behind it but
00:47:17
they didn't they would have preferred
00:47:19
that I not release the rest of it so we
00:47:22
we did give quite a bit uh it's going to
00:47:25
be done early on a lot of people people
00:47:27
want to see that and whatever it may say
00:47:30
I won't say I sort I have an idea but uh
00:47:33
whatever it is it'll be very interesting
00:47:35
for people to see and we're going to
00:47:37
have to learn from it promise US you'll
00:47:39
come back again Mr you know there are
00:47:40
other things we're going to release too
00:47:42
we're going to release really like what
00:47:43
what else do you got we'll talk to you
00:47:45
about it off camera
00:47:48
aliens by the way I generally speaking
00:47:51
and there are reasons not to release
00:47:52
certain things obviously but I gener you
00:47:55
know it's transparency and I think it's
00:47:57
important that we release that and there
00:47:59
are other things too there are other
00:48:00
things that you know about but people
00:48:03
more than anything else they want the
00:48:04
JFK files we're going to release that
00:48:06
immediately you have a prediction for
00:48:07
the debate next week what's going to
00:48:08
happen well all I can say is this I
00:48:11
watched him with Paul Ryan and he
00:48:13
destroyed Paul Ryan Paul Ryan with the
00:48:15
water he was chugging water at a left
00:48:17
and right I didn't think a human being
00:48:18
would be able to drink so much water at
00:48:20
one time and he beat Paul Ryan so I I'm
00:48:23
not underestimating him I'm not
00:48:25
underestimating him it is what it is uh
00:48:28
we'll see what happens but you take a
00:48:30
look at the last one uh I happen to
00:48:33
think he's incompetent for a lot of
00:48:35
reasons I think he's incompetent because
00:48:37
he has gotten the worst policies both
00:48:41
foreign policy and internal policy I
00:48:43
mean who would not want to have a wall
00:48:45
who wants to have millions of people
00:48:47
pouring in who wants to have high taxes
00:48:49
you know taxes are going to raise by
00:48:51
four times if this guy has his plan is
00:48:54
he in cognitive decline do you believe
00:48:55
he's in cognitive decline well I I
00:48:57
shouldn't be the one to say that but I
00:48:58
don't think he's doing particularly well
00:49:00
but I didn't think he was well 25 years
00:49:02
ago I thought he was not a smart person
00:49:04
and that was told to me by a certain
00:49:06
member of the Kennedy family who was
00:49:08
actually very friendly with me through a
00:49:10
Palm Beach relationship and I was told
00:49:14
that very strongly but so I was never a
00:49:16
fan of his but I will say he beat uh he
00:49:19
beat Paul Ryan who was still years ago
00:49:22
but he beat Paul Ryan pretty badly and
00:49:24
uh I assume he's going to be uh somebody
00:49:27
that will be a worthy debater yeah I
00:49:29
would say I think I don't want to
00:49:31
underestimate him all right I think
00:49:34
that's smart well your your your team is
00:49:36
telling us that uh they need you to go
00:49:38
to a dinner Mr President obviously we
00:49:39
could keep going for hours and hours but
00:49:41
it's been great to we
00:49:43
could uh but it's been great to great to
00:49:46
have you for the last hour here and it's
00:49:47
been great to getting to know you with
00:49:49
the the dinner that we did and we hope
00:49:51
that you'll come back on our show
00:49:52
podcasts are getting bigger and bigger
00:49:54
so hopefully in your second term you'll
00:49:56
come on here uh and uh talk to us again
00:50:00
you think Biden would do this interview
00:50:01
I don't think absolutely not absolutely
00:50:04
lost one question I don't think doing
00:50:08
these interviews so that's it's an honor
00:50:10
to be with you all very good question we
00:50:12
appreciate it sir thank you very
00:50:13
appreciate very much sir thank you very
00:50:15
thank you sir there you have it wow that
00:50:17
was some hour boys what do we think
00:50:20
let's do a wrap up huh got do do a
00:50:22
little wrap
00:50:24
here jcal what are your what are your
00:50:26
big
00:50:28
takeaways well I'm undecided as you know
00:50:31
we we had a limited amount of time with
00:50:33
him and obviously just say it just say
00:50:34
it you like him you didn't you were just
00:50:37
say it just say it because it's written
00:50:38
all across your face just say it you
00:50:40
like him you're confused have some crush
00:50:43
your questions no he crushed your
00:50:44
questions
00:50:45
ad you asked great questions and he just
00:50:48
dealt with them headon just admit it you
00:50:50
like him you like him look at
00:50:54
him I do like the fact that on the I
00:50:57
told you youd like him I told you you'd
00:50:59
like him this is my point whether you
00:51:01
whether you come out of wanting to vote
00:51:03
for the president or not sure everybody
00:51:05
needs to I think just sit in a room and
00:51:08
just hear him out if you're if you if
00:51:10
you want me to answer the question what
00:51:11
I'll say is there there are some
00:51:12
blockers I have that we didn't get to
00:51:14
January 6th obviously I did you know one
00:51:16
of the blockers I have is obviously roie
00:51:18
Wade and I think he handled that
00:51:19
question really well and I think we may
00:51:22
have gotten a little bit of breaking
00:51:24
news there in terms of him saying he
00:51:26
would not do the national ban and I
00:51:29
think that's a big concern people have
00:51:31
and I think that's maybe the issue
00:51:33
according to a lot of experts I'm sorry
00:51:35
to sound like trumping for a lot of
00:51:36
experts people believe that could be the
00:51:38
deciding issue uh of the election and so
00:51:41
I think he handled it really well by
00:51:43
saying the states are going to choose
00:51:44
and he's not going to do the federal B
00:51:46
he exemption he was very unequivocal
00:51:48
about that really clear that he would
00:51:50
not do a national ban really clear that
00:51:52
the states would decide and furthermore
00:51:53
he understood that the states are
00:51:55
deciding there's been a bunch of
00:51:56
referenda at the state level and they
00:51:58
are generally coming out at on the
00:52:00
pro-choice side and he indicated that he
00:52:02
understood that some of the votes are
00:52:04
not turning out the way the
00:52:06
people people want right 80% of people
00:52:09
he's going to respect democracy he's
00:52:11
going to respect democracy on that issue
00:52:13
yeah so I think he he nailed that that
00:52:16
question I think he was very definitive
00:52:19
about Ukraine not entering NATO and I
00:52:23
think he was very definitive about an H1
00:52:26
B policy that's Pro productivity and
00:52:29
immigration that was the part I like
00:52:30
best if I'm being giving grads green
00:52:32
cards that's like such a that's breaking
00:52:35
news too by the way I think we elevated
00:52:36
the discussion about immigration beyond
00:52:38
the wall and into recruitment which is
00:52:40
what I have been trying to do on this
00:52:41
podcast for a couple years here now so
00:52:43
to hear the president say I will do that
00:52:45
for you because I want that that to me
00:52:48
was padle and you know there's a lot of
00:52:49
things I agree with them on and the
00:52:51
January 6th stff we didn't get to so
00:52:53
apologies to the audience on that I know
00:52:55
a lot of people have feelings about but
00:52:56
you know you can only get so much from
00:52:58
50 minutes of interview I think he did a
00:52:59
great jend the whole town hall on that
00:53:01
issue I mean quite frankly I felt like
00:53:03
we dealt with a lot of substance here so
00:53:05
but chamath I agree with you he was
00:53:06
really clear on Ukraine he went further
00:53:08
than he has in the past in the past he
00:53:10
said that he'll get a peace deal very
00:53:11
quickly and that he wants the people to
00:53:13
stop dying but in this interview he went
00:53:15
further he said that if France or other
00:53:18
European countries send in troops the US
00:53:20
definitely will not participate in that
00:53:22
we are not going to send American boots
00:53:24
on the ground the Biden Administration I
00:53:25
don't think has said that definitively
00:53:27
the way that President Trump said it
00:53:29
moreover he understood that a major
00:53:32
cause of the war was the desire to bring
00:53:36
Ukraine into NATO and I've never heard
00:53:40
I've never heard anyone in the
00:53:41
administration say that and he went
00:53:42
further and said they keep saying these
00:53:44
provocative things about you know even
00:53:46
now they keep repeating that Ukraine's
00:53:48
going to be part of NATO so he
00:53:50
understood he understood the provocation
00:53:52
there fre what's your take on him you
00:53:54
haven't come out and said who you're
00:53:55
voting for but this is your first time
00:53:57
interacting with them I'll be it for 50
00:53:59
minutes in a group setting but what are
00:54:01
you what's your it's a diff it's a
00:54:03
difficult Forum because we can't go deep
00:54:05
and ask responsive questions and we
00:54:06
don't have a lot of time and there's
00:54:07
four of us trying to ask questions so
00:54:09
the format is a little difficult to get
00:54:11
to the heart of the matter on on some of
00:54:12
these complicated topics like federal
00:54:14
spending two hours debt yeah and and I
00:54:17
think you need to just be able to like
00:54:19
hone in on the question you know his
00:54:21
response on how are we going to reduce
00:54:23
kind of the bureaucratic overhead and
00:54:25
the wasteful spending and ederal
00:54:26
government and he kind of pivoted to the
00:54:28
Department of Education that's 3% of the
00:54:30
federal budget I want to talk about the
00:54:31
rest of it and you know we're at it took
00:54:33
us 200 years as a country to add a
00:54:36
trillion dollars to our federal debt to
00:54:38
go from zero to a trillion and now we're
00:54:40
adding a trillion every hundred days and
00:54:42
it's going to take a lot more than just
00:54:44
one to three% cuts and spending to get
00:54:47
us out of the you know the spiral uh
00:54:50
that we're in I also am concerned very
00:54:54
um I think very rightly so and I think
00:54:57
he acknowledges the concerns that were
00:54:59
mentioned by Larry Summers that tariffs
00:55:01
plus tax cuts could lead to uh serious
00:55:04
inflation and economic contraction those
00:55:07
are really difficult things to do
00:55:09
together unless you have a very clear
00:55:12
plan for massively cutting spending at
00:55:14
the federal level so I don't feel like I
00:55:16
got to the heart of the matter on those
00:55:17
points and as you guys know that's what
00:55:19
I care so deeply about I think we need
00:55:20
to fix the machine to be able to do the
00:55:23
things we want the machine to do over
00:55:24
time and I'm I'm very deeply worried
00:55:26
worried about that you know I had a
00:55:28
couple reactions to that so number one
00:55:30
is I thought it was interesting how he
00:55:32
reacted to the question about Larry
00:55:34
Summers because he knows Larry Summers
00:55:35
and he actually said several very comp
00:55:37
things towards him so he may not agree
00:55:40
with him on everything but he said that
00:55:42
Larry had gotten a bunch of things right
00:55:44
and he's an interesting guy and and
00:55:46
Larry did get the inflation call right
00:55:48
remember at the very beginning right of
00:55:50
the Biden Administration so it was
00:55:52
interesting I thought that President
00:55:54
Trump handled that question very TCT I
00:55:56
think it's not like was looking to
00:55:58
attack anyone anything like that do we
00:56:00
really buy he's going to do this tariff
00:56:01
thing anyway like it seems like that's a
00:56:03
bit of pandering maybe to the voter base
00:56:05
it sounds like a great solution right
00:56:07
but I don't think he's gonna do it once
00:56:09
the economic advisers get together and
00:56:11
look at the analysis on what this will
00:56:13
do to costs of things inflation will go
00:56:15
up Etc you know maybe there's a rethink
00:56:17
ultimately on how that's implemented and
00:56:19
on what particular slices of the economy
00:56:21
it's implemented so I'm sure as you
00:56:23
point out it probably gets toned down
00:56:24
for this to you know to even become a
00:56:26
reality it seems just on the on the
00:56:29
second piece on the the deficit you know
00:56:30
J you asked a pretty tough question
00:56:32
there where you basically said look
00:56:33
you're your def the debt has grown as
00:56:36
much under your first term as it do
00:56:38
under Biden remember that the 8 trillion
00:56:40
or something I me it's almost exactly
00:56:42
going to be the same 6.5 to date from
00:56:44
Biden 7.8 trillion but I think he had a
00:56:46
pretty good answer which was that look
00:56:49
at the first year of covid we were
00:56:50
dealing with you know a depress a
00:56:52
potential depression I don't if you
00:56:54
mentioned that the economy GDP was down
00:56:57
30% yeah he talked about 1929 yeah yeah
00:57:00
exactly so he basically explained that
00:57:02
we had to do that but then after that we
00:57:05
shouldn't have kept going and I do think
00:57:08
that Trump is just not as big a spender
00:57:10
as Biden I mean look Biden's been in
00:57:12
Washington for 50 years he thinks
00:57:14
government's the answer for everything
00:57:15
he loves spending money and he spent
00:57:17
trillions on covid even after we didn't
00:57:19
need to so I get the sense that Trump
00:57:22
was a reluctant spender I'm not saying
00:57:24
he didn't spend but where as Biden I
00:57:27
think is a eager spender and yeah I I
00:57:31
think any wants to spend because it's
00:57:34
popular I just think it's their nature I
00:57:36
think if Trump had the power by himself
00:57:38
to Reign and spending I think he would I
00:57:40
think the issue is that the president by
00:57:42
himself can't do that much which is what
00:57:43
my follow-up question was right I was
00:57:45
trying to ask him like can you actually
00:57:47
do it as president or not like is there
00:57:49
the wherewithal to do it I think the
00:57:51
other aspect I wanted to see I'm really
00:57:53
glad he talked about
00:57:54
dollarization and I he mentioned it
00:57:56
upfront and so that to me really
00:57:59
resonated it really Rings true to the
00:58:02
effect of us spending US foreign policy
00:58:05
so much of this is driving and I'm
00:58:07
concerned about right driving the Saudis
00:58:09
into the arms of the Chinese and and
00:58:11
other foreign adversaries to the United
00:58:13
States and I would have really liked to
00:58:14
have spent a little time with him on the
00:58:16
Saudi relationship where he sees that
00:58:18
headed how the Saudi relationship will
00:58:20
affect the Middle East and how the Saudi
00:58:22
relationship could affect the US dollar
00:58:25
and and dollar reserves around the world
00:58:27
but I think he's acutely aware of
00:58:29
dollarization and uh foreign reserves in
00:58:32
dollars being sold down and that the
00:58:34
there are serious effects to that I
00:58:36
didn't hear a followup on like what the
00:58:38
specific responses will be uh you know
00:58:41
to to the drivers there which I I would
00:58:43
have loved to Spent A Little More Time
00:58:44
On what do you think will be the viral
00:58:46
moments to come out of this if any what
00:58:47
do you think the mainstream Media or
00:58:49
social media will take from this any
00:58:51
moments you think we breaking news or
00:58:54
notable well I think think there's a lot
00:58:56
of clarity on a couple of important
00:58:58
points one is no federal ban on abortion
00:59:01
I think that that's important news for a
00:59:03
lot of people the second is this Clarity
00:59:07
on h-1bs which is very different from
00:59:09
what has to be done at the border and I
00:59:11
think that was very clear and new and I
00:59:13
think it's very positive for our
00:59:15
community meaning the tech absolutely
00:59:16
yeah that's why I push we need that
00:59:18
Clarity because we're trying to hire
00:59:20
these people and we are losing them
00:59:22
every day and then the third was I think
00:59:26
Clarity on NATO was also very definitive
00:59:30
and I think that that's important the
00:59:32
fourth which was an implication of what
00:59:34
he said which is a little depressing is
00:59:38
I think there's a lot of us that want to
00:59:39
see this Israeli Palestine conflict
00:59:43
resolved and I think what he's saying is
00:59:47
we can't because we've let the genie out
00:59:49
of the bottle we have an adversary now
00:59:50
with a quarter of a trillion dollars of
00:59:52
excess cash who has no incentive to
00:59:54
negotiate Iran that's on so that's
00:59:58
really
00:59:59
depressing and then the fifth one was
01:00:01
around this JFK thing I the reason why I
01:00:04
asked the JFK question is not
01:00:06
necessarily that I have a specific
01:00:08
interest in JFK but it's emblematic of
01:00:12
it's a proxy for this deep State this
01:00:14
idea of Secrets or this idea of there's
01:00:16
a layer of people that are embedded in
01:00:20
the United States government that
01:00:21
decides on behalf of all of us and I
01:00:24
think when you have somebody who can put
01:00:26
P back against that and use transparency
01:00:29
and sunlight as the cleansing function
01:00:31
that is what we need if we're going to
01:00:33
rebuild trust in our government and
01:00:34
institutions we're going to need a lot
01:00:36
more transparency and if that one's
01:00:37
hanging out there why not resolve it I
01:00:40
mean did he say he thinks the CI CIA did
01:00:42
it I think I heard him say that I think
01:00:44
CIA did what I heard was he said the CIA
01:00:47
behind the people that were influencing
01:00:49
him not to I think what he said want
01:00:51
information out we should be clear about
01:00:53
that because it could be it could be
01:00:55
quoted out of context yeah we're going
01:00:56
to need to see the transcript on that he
01:00:58
did not say that he thought the CIA was
01:01:00
he didn't come anywhere close he said
01:01:02
that he thought the CIA was behind that
01:01:05
were telling him to not do it and he
01:01:07
listened to them out of trust and
01:01:08
respect for them which I think that's a
01:01:10
reasonable judgment in the moment we got
01:01:12
see that transcript yeah my point is
01:01:14
exposing that is a very important way of
01:01:17
giving the influence and power back to
01:01:20
the people ABS I've mentioned this quote
01:01:24
from Mike Pompeo which is really
01:01:25
powerful but it's something to the
01:01:27
effect of you know the people on the top
01:01:29
floor of the CIA do not believe it's a
01:01:33
Democrat or Republican that runs America
01:01:36
but that they do and he said that in the
01:01:40
context of being asked what is the one
01:01:42
regret you have or some of the biggest
01:01:45
regrets you have in running the CIA and
01:01:48
Pompeo said that he didn't fix that so I
01:01:51
think that there's a lot of embedded
01:01:53
versions of this establishment class
01:01:56
that lurk in many institutions whether
01:01:58
it's the EPA whether it's the CIA
01:02:00
whether it's the
01:02:01
NIH and if there are ways in which the
01:02:05
president can unlock the data that's
01:02:07
necessary or the
01:02:09
information for all of us to have a
01:02:12
little bit more clarity on what's
01:02:14
Happening I think it's important and I
01:02:15
do think for many
01:02:17
people that the JFK file is
01:02:19
representative of a lot of them well and
01:02:21
then Dove telling that Sachs the fouy
01:02:24
discussion where he said I don't trust I
01:02:26
I never trusted fouchy and then kind of
01:02:28
pushing it on like hey do you think he
01:02:30
should be prosecuted did we fund it or
01:02:32
not seems pretty clear he believes we
01:02:34
funded gain of research his position was
01:02:37
I just didn't want to spend the money
01:02:38
which I appreciate about him with China
01:02:40
with China yeah spend the money in China
01:02:42
yeah yeah and so I what did you think of
01:02:45
that point yeah well I I thought that
01:02:48
his response on that was similar to a
01:02:50
lot of his responses which is he did not
01:02:53
take the edgy position
01:02:56
that he was sort of being teed up to
01:02:58
take I mean kind of like same thing with
01:02:59
like the Larry Summers thing you know he
01:03:02
he had mild criticism I thought for
01:03:04
fouchy but he didn't go scorched Earth
01:03:06
at all on on fouchy there and he he
01:03:09
didn't trust him he said absolutely
01:03:11
nobody that's for politics nobody nobody
01:03:14
trusts fouchy you asked him whether
01:03:17
fouchi should be prosecuted he did not
01:03:19
take the bait on that that's my point he
01:03:21
was very respectful actually I I was
01:03:23
very surprised to hear how he respected
01:03:25
fouchi and how he framed the his
01:03:28
response to that question and I think
01:03:29
that says a lot but can I tell you why
01:03:31
you're surprised because I think we have
01:03:33
been fed this is what I'm saying we have
01:03:35
been fed A Narrative of what president
01:03:37
Trump looks like now in fairness we're
01:03:39
also being fed A Narrative of what
01:03:40
President Biden is like and this is why
01:03:44
you have to see these men up close and
01:03:45
personal for yourself because David the
01:03:48
fact that you're surprised is less about
01:03:50
the fact that Donald Trump has changed
01:03:52
right it's more the fact that you've
01:03:53
been told a narrative and you've
01:03:56
believed it and so now when you see the
01:03:58
actual truth you have to rewrite hold on
01:04:00
a second he's actually pretty thoughtful
01:04:02
he's pretty presidential he doesn't go
01:04:04
off on
01:04:05
people that's not what you probably
01:04:07
thought going in because that's not what
01:04:08
the mainstream media portrays about what
01:04:10
you should be thinking about well he In
01:04:12
fairness he has gone in on people pretty
01:04:13
hard over the last eight years he's a
01:04:15
counter puncher I don't think he hits
01:04:16
people unless they hit him first I mean
01:04:18
that's his pattern but look I I I agree
01:04:21
with Jamal here that my overall take on
01:04:24
this and look my position is is clear
01:04:26
because I wrote a long post on X
01:04:29
endorsing Trump a couple weeks ago but
01:04:31
everything I heard here in this
01:04:33
interview was consistent with the
01:04:35
reasons why I stated I want to support
01:04:37
him he clearly favors a progrowth agenda
01:04:40
he wants to keep taxes low or and
01:04:43
reasonable he wants to reduce
01:04:45
regulations he wanted to increase the
01:04:48
number of h-1bs get the Dream Team over
01:04:51
here for Tech while sealing the Border
01:04:54
while cutting down on crime in blue
01:04:57
cities he talked about how crime was out
01:04:59
of control he wants to negotiate peace
01:05:01
deals he I think understands very well
01:05:05
why we have this war going on in Europe
01:05:07
overall I heard a lot of reassuring
01:05:10
things and I didn't hear anything that I
01:05:13
would put in the category of a grievance
01:05:16
or a desire for Revenge you know the
01:05:19
media is trying to portray him as like
01:05:21
seeking Vengeance or something like that
01:05:23
well that's because he says he is didn't
01:05:25
get didn't he said over and over again
01:05:27
let's be clear he said over again I will
01:05:29
be your retribution so he may not have
01:05:30
said it on this podcast did you get any
01:05:33
of that in this interview no I've just
01:05:36
heard him say it 50 times in the last 60
01:05:38
days so but SX where would you like to
01:05:40
have seen him be same clip played over
01:05:43
and over again on where would you like
01:05:44
to have seen him be stronger or
01:05:45
different on any of his major positions
01:05:48
what would you as his adviser advise him
01:05:52
to shift or double down on a
01:05:54
bit well well I mean I think jamath is
01:05:57
right that with respect to the Middle
01:05:59
East the I think his position isn't
01:06:03
perfectly clear because it's not only
01:06:05
about Iran in the Middle East right um
01:06:08
yeah but the truth of the matter is
01:06:09
politically I don't know that he could
01:06:11
say more and you know I think that's
01:06:13
just a very very tough issue where
01:06:15
you're bound to alienate and polarize
01:06:17
one side of the other and so I think
01:06:19
he's sort of definitely walking a tight
01:06:21
RPP there yeah when he says it would
01:06:23
never have happened like I'm always like
01:06:25
you know like it would never happened
01:06:27
under me I would like to have a little
01:06:28
more of the why why do you believe that
01:06:30
and he never gets into the details he
01:06:32
just says that over and over but maybe
01:06:34
he's right you know like when I hear
01:06:36
Trump talk what I hear is someone who's
01:06:39
a dealmaker he was a dealmaker in
01:06:41
business now he's a dealmaker
01:06:42
politically he's willing to have
01:06:44
conversations with anybody there was
01:06:46
even a moment when he's talking about
01:06:47
Iran where he said maybe he could have
01:06:50
worked out a deal um but in any event
01:06:53
he's somebody who I think is willing to
01:06:56
negotiate which I think is a positive
01:06:58
thing because when last time Biden
01:07:00
negotiated anything he doesn't seem
01:07:02
interested at all I mean I didn't get to
01:07:04
ask but you know one of the things I had
01:07:05
queued up was you know I just think
01:07:07
you've done a phenomenal job in talking
01:07:09
to people who most people feel are
01:07:11
difficult people to get along with you
01:07:14
know Kim Jan G Putin I think it's in
01:07:17
superpowers talking to dictators uh
01:07:20
despots people who are contener and
01:07:22
difficult and he always seems to get the
01:07:25
better of them them or at least get he
01:07:28
at least gets our interests As Americans
01:07:31
aligned with whatever their interests
01:07:33
are so I let me ask you I'm yeah I don't
01:07:36
want to be insulting I'm ask like in the
01:07:37
past you said that he was embracing the
01:07:40
dictators and he was cow Towing to I
01:07:42
think you've said comments like that in
01:07:43
the past where you saw Yes or something
01:07:46
that felt like he was more trying to
01:07:49
embrace and engage with them in a way
01:07:50
that's like why would I've always felt
01:07:52
you should talk to everybody all the
01:07:53
time um you know that that's not my
01:07:55
issue with you know it's never been my
01:07:56
issue with him I think that's like a
01:07:57
superpower the fact that he went into
01:08:00
North Korea and stepped over in the DMZ
01:08:03
you you saw the look on Kim jong-un's
01:08:04
face he just Kim jung-un just wants a
01:08:06
little attention he wants a little
01:08:08
recognition and this idea like we're not
01:08:10
going to give him any recognition is
01:08:12
stupid because if you give him a little
01:08:14
recognition now you're sort of tilting
01:08:16
him towards hey maybe you could be part
01:08:17
of this like maybe you could come to the
01:08:19
west and see a movie premiere or come to
01:08:20
the NBA finals as opposed to start
01:08:23
lobbing you know dysfunctional
01:08:26
missiles over Japan
01:08:28
like you know that video where they're
01:08:30
like setting up the little press
01:08:32
shooting and the in the conference oh my
01:08:34
God that video Smile on Kim jong-un's
01:08:36
face when say you want me to go over I
01:08:39
go should I go over should I do it now
01:08:41
I'll go over okay I'm GNA I'm gonna walk
01:08:44
up and Kim jung-un is beaming and you're
01:08:46
like he just played him he played him
01:08:49
like he walked 10 feet into North Korea
01:08:51
and now Kim jong-un's like you know what
01:08:52
I don't need this Miss I guess my my my
01:08:54
big unanswered question I did want to
01:08:56
ask him about like Doo's prediction of
01:08:58
like the cycle of Empires 500
01:09:01
years that well let's play
01:09:03
counterfactual freeberg what do what do
01:09:05
you how do you compare the answers
01:09:06
you've heard to what you have heard or
01:09:09
what you think President Biden's answers
01:09:11
would be to the things that you care
01:09:12
about I honestly feel like there's a
01:09:14
little bit of a blinders to the question
01:09:16
like there's a pivot back to what I've
01:09:18
done what I'll do versus the like let's
01:09:21
actually talk about where we are in the
01:09:23
death cycle and this is exactly what
01:09:27
like history repeating itself at the
01:09:29
time that you take on all the debt you
01:09:31
drive internal conflict January 6 is a
01:09:33
great like data point you drive external
01:09:35
conflict we've had two or three Wars
01:09:38
start in the last four years how do we
01:09:41
reverse those things so that we don't
01:09:42
repeat history and we sat down with doio
01:09:45
and we asked him this question is there
01:09:46
a way to not repeat history and he said
01:09:48
yes there is and we talked with grah
01:09:49
Allison about this and all these guys
01:09:51
believe that there's a way to avoid it
01:09:52
there have been moments where we've
01:09:54
nearly had the conflict and that's why I
01:09:56
him about war with China but I want to
01:09:58
understand if there is this broader kind
01:10:00
of construct of what is going on because
01:10:02
he he hits on all the data points
01:10:04
correctly dollarization increased
01:10:06
spending bloated
01:10:09
bureaucracy conflicts around the world
01:10:11
without taking it all into perspective
01:10:13
and saying man like this is where
01:10:14
Empires die I guess he does say that
01:10:16
right he he does actually highlight
01:10:18
exactly what Doo doesn't do what mle
01:10:20
does though right like Malay has said to
01:10:22
the populist that's exactly yeah Malay
01:10:25
he just needs to take that next Malay
01:10:26
step and say I will cut half the people
01:10:28
working at these places he kind of did
01:10:30
say it when it came to education I don't
01:10:32
know what your interpretations were G
01:10:34
get back to an entrepreneurial economy
01:10:36
right allow capitalism I think he did
01:10:38
say around regulation and then with
01:10:40
respect to the bureaucracy he pointed to
01:10:43
education he pointed to that was a good
01:10:44
example I think energy he pointed to the
01:10:47
EPA the right things are on his radar
01:10:49
screen you know uh I just hope he gets
01:10:52
the right people around him sacks like I
01:10:54
mean I need you
01:10:55
jul and stupid people you got to if
01:10:58
you're if put him put smart people
01:11:01
around cabinet cabinet advisers on
01:11:04
nuclear on regulation in nuclear on AI
01:11:07
like yeah in 2016 there was not the kind
01:11:11
of people that for example were at this
01:11:15
fundraiser that David and I
01:11:18
organized was I think entirely different
01:11:21
than what you saw in
01:11:23
2016 and I do think there's opportunity
01:11:25
where if you dipped your hand like there
01:11:27
was a young man in the audience who
01:11:29
answered this AI question and he talked
01:11:32
about public key private key
01:11:34
cryptography it was beautiful it was
01:11:36
amazing very technical person but there
01:11:40
are all these people that are coming out
01:11:41
of the woodwork to your point freeberg
01:11:44
if he can figure out how to build a
01:11:45
cabinet with those people meaning these
01:11:48
extremely technical thoughtful people
01:11:52
then there's a real shot that you can
01:11:53
change yeah I hope that's right I pulled
01:11:55
up some some some data going into our
01:11:56
conversation I just want to hear read
01:11:58
this to you guys totally off topic but I
01:12:00
I just want to say we can cut it out if
01:12:02
you want but you know construction for
01:12:04
the Francis Scott Key bridge which is
01:12:06
1.6 miles long when it was built in 1977
01:12:09
was 141 million bucks about 740 million
01:12:12
in today's dollars today they're
01:12:14
estimating to repair you know that's the
01:12:15
bridge that collapsed um in Baltimore
01:12:18
they're saying it's going to cost you
01:12:19
know2 billion or more to repair that
01:12:21
bridge now you know 40 years later
01:12:24
California's bullet train project in
01:12:26
2008 was supposed to cost 40 billion
01:12:28
we're 15 years into this thing we've
01:12:30
spent 18 billion they're now asking for
01:12:32
140 billion total to build 171 mile
01:12:35
track that's a billion a mile that's a
01:12:37
billion a mile let me just tell you this
01:12:39
other fact China tracks in the middle of
01:12:41
nowhere yeah and China just spent 300
01:12:43
billion to build 16,000 miles of
01:12:46
High-Speed Rail they're spending 18
01:12:48
million a mile that's 2% of the cost of
01:12:53
the California highspeed rail system 2%
01:12:55
per mile we are 50 times more expensive
01:12:57
than China that is where superpowers
01:13:01
shift that is where that is the
01:13:02
fundamental premise of the shift that
01:13:04
we've seen five six times in the last
01:13:06
500 years that's yeah I mean is it just
01:13:10
time to privatize it's lay it's layers
01:13:12
it's layers of you know of these two men
01:13:15
Trump or Biden which one do you think is
01:13:16
going to be more skeptical of big
01:13:18
government spending and which one is
01:13:19
going to be more interested in being
01:13:22
conducive to the private sector solving
01:13:24
problems I mean to me there's no
01:13:26
comparison no well which one which one
01:13:28
do you think obviously Trump is is his
01:13:30
all of his instincts are let's empower
01:13:33
the private sector let's cut regulations
01:13:35
let's make taxes reasonable let's get
01:13:36
the smartest people in the country let's
01:13:39
have peace
01:13:40
deals growth what do you think freeer I
01:13:44
have heard conversations that there is
01:13:46
an economic argument I don't know if I
01:13:48
buy it that one of the reasons that
01:13:50
they're trying to leave the Border open
01:13:52
is there is a um low cost labor pool
01:13:56
that grows that actually is is
01:13:58
beneficial to economic growth that um
01:14:00
there's just not enough in the workforce
01:14:02
today to like think about the cost of
01:14:03
building that Railroad in China versus
01:14:05
the US you know the the average income
01:14:08
in the US is is a a couple turns on what
01:14:11
it is in China you can also say you
01:14:13
don't want to answer the
01:14:14
question between the two
01:14:18
yeah man um ask this question more
01:14:21
specifically yeah ask yeah honestly who
01:14:23
do you think is closer to your desired
01:14:25
outcome Trump or Biden I I think Trump
01:14:27
hits on it like way more than Biden does
01:14:30
yeah he definitely hits on the concerns
01:14:32
that I have I don't know if he has like
01:14:34
the path that makes me feel like great
01:14:35
let's you know like this is gonna work
01:14:37
does Biden does Biden and I think the
01:14:39
other thing I worry about is the
01:14:40
leadership problem with Trump meaning I
01:14:42
don't mean him as a leader in in terms
01:14:44
of Effectiveness but just this like
01:14:46
Trump derangement syndrome is not
01:14:49
something to be ignored and to be
01:14:51
disparaging of the people that we all
01:14:53
you know that not we all but people say
01:14:55
have Trump derangement syndrome it's a
01:14:56
fundamental like tilting that he does
01:14:58
and he tilts half the people in the
01:15:00
country he tilts them and I think that
01:15:02
that is really and maybe the other side
01:15:04
is true as well maybe it's a
01:15:05
psychological problem that a lot of
01:15:06
people have doesn't mean we should have
01:15:07
a worse president no so so that's one
01:15:09
that's one argument or yeah or maybe
01:15:11
when he tried maybe there's a way to use
01:15:14
unifying speech instead of divisive
01:15:16
speech and that is my other concern it's
01:15:18
just like or or you speak directly to
01:15:20
the people and you end up where Jake Al
01:15:24
is at
01:15:25
and where you're at which is you've
01:15:27
heard him face to face really for the
01:15:31
first time I want to hear Biden face to
01:15:33
face I want to have a long conversation
01:15:35
on here we invited Biden on here too and
01:15:38
we're waiting breathlessly for him to
01:15:40
accept the invitation you got to give
01:15:41
Trump credit for coming on the show like
01:15:45
he said yeah and took all questions yeah
01:15:48
so you got to give Trump a lot of credit
01:15:50
for that but freeberg to your point
01:15:51
about the TDS for a second look when
01:15:55
Biden ran in 2020 he promised a return
01:15:58
to normaly that was basically his sales
01:16:01
pitch we had just gone through covid you
01:16:04
know there were a lot of people who had
01:16:06
TDS who were tilted by Trump and what
01:16:07
Biden said is we're going to have
01:16:09
normaly what actually happened well I
01:16:12
think Biden began this incredibly
01:16:15
partisan and vindictive program of
01:16:17
lawfare of trying to prosecute not just
01:16:19
Trump but a lot of other people we had
01:16:22
the Border basically opened up I mean
01:16:25
Biden repealed all those executive
01:16:26
orders on day one and did create those
01:16:28
holes in in the wall there was
01:16:30
absolutely no reason for that we had
01:16:33
this war in Ukraine that was easily
01:16:34
avoidable if they just said the right
01:16:36
things back in
01:16:38
2021 and I mean I could go on I mean on
01:16:41
on the issue of tech like we talked
01:16:43
about everyone feels Frozen right now
01:16:46
crypto can't get a regulatory framework
01:16:48
no one can do m& so have we gotten the
01:16:50
normaly that we were promised I don't
01:16:52
think so and on the other hand what I
01:16:54
heard from Trump in this interview was
01:16:57
like it was he was sort of softened he
01:17:00
did not go scorched Earth even when he
01:17:02
invited him to he did not say will age I
01:17:05
will he did not he had nice words to say
01:17:08
about Larry Summers yes he was you know
01:17:10
I thought this was a very moderate
01:17:14
sounding Trump maybe it's a different
01:17:15
approach and I'm wrong and I'm just
01:17:17
referencing the history with him and I
01:17:19
do agree with you that the way he spoke
01:17:21
today about people that have been
01:17:22
antagonistic about him or to him like
01:17:25
Summers and fouchy did surprise me
01:17:27
particularly after years of him sending
01:17:29
out these tweets every morning about
01:17:31
people that are antagonistic about him
01:17:33
and it was quite refreshing honestly and
01:17:34
it felt different so you know I will
01:17:37
give him credit on that point I will I
01:17:38
will like agree with you on that SX for
01:17:40
sure the point is I think that we had an
01:17:42
opportunity to interview the president
01:17:43
of the United States and that was great
01:17:45
congrats I think we talked about a broad
01:17:47
spectrum of issues I wish we had more
01:17:49
time I think he answered them precisely
01:17:52
and I think he was candid and think that
01:17:55
he gave us new
01:17:57
information which I think is important
01:17:59
and I think it allowed you guys to see
01:18:01
what I
01:18:03
saw which is if you're an independent or
01:18:08
not a republican quote unquote by
01:18:11
name and you have a preconceived notion
01:18:14
of what president Trump is like it's
01:18:17
very difficult to keep that notion is my
01:18:19
point after you hear him and after you
01:18:21
meet him and I think that that's a very
01:18:24
important thing to keep in mind because
01:18:26
I don't think it says as much about
01:18:28
President Trump as it does about the
01:18:30
lens with which we are taught to think
01:18:32
about all of these people including
01:18:34
President
01:18:36
Biden so I would just say you got to
01:18:39
think for yourself and that's the most
01:18:42
important takeaway and I think that we
01:18:43
are giving people ground truth data to
01:18:46
underwrite your own opinion all right
01:18:48
everybody this has been another amazing
01:18:49
episode of the all in podcast thank you
01:18:51
David St for getting president Trump to
01:18:52
come on President Biden you are of
01:18:54
course inv to come on we encourage you
01:18:56
to come on give us 50 minutes give us an
01:18:58
hour and a half whatever you got no
01:19:00
we've asked we've asked we're waiting
01:19:01
I'm just restating it for the record
01:19:04
that if he by some means somebody in his
01:19:06
group says we should you know talk to
01:19:08
the all in team since they're a top 10
01:19:10
pocket and every other presidential
01:19:11
candidate's been on who knows maybe
01:19:13
somebody decides he's going to be able
01:19:15
to keep up with the group I don't think
01:19:17
he can keep up that's the big challenge
01:19:19
for the Rainman David Sachs shth paa
01:19:22
your chairman dictator and the S of
01:19:24
science David Freer I am the
01:19:26
world's greatest moderator didn't
01:19:28
moderate today it's sure guest a great
01:19:31
job we'll see you next time great job
01:19:33
love you boys
01:19:35
byee let your winners
01:19:42
ride and instead we open source it to
01:19:45
the fans and they've just gone crazy
01:19:47
with it love queen of
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01:19:56
besties
01:19:58
are that's my dog taking your
01:20:03
driveways oh man my habiter will meet me
01:20:06
at we should all just get a room and
01:20:08
just have one big huge orgy cuz they're
01:20:10
all just us it's like this like sexual
01:20:12
tension that they just need to release
01:20:14
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01:20:19
somehow we need to get merch our
01:20:25
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01:20:29
I'm going all in
