Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (2024)

Desperate Times


Seren has a plan to deal with the Elder God threat – but don’t expect things to go smoothly. The races of Gielinor are far from united and a certain somebody has thrown a wrench in the works. Or is that a Needle?



Quest Requirements:

The Needle Skips
You Are It

Skill/Other Requirements:

50 Divination, Mining, & Smithing.

Quests Unlocked/Partially Unlocked by completing this Quest:

Items Needed to Complete Quest:

3 Rune bars2 Runite stone spirits10 Mind runesDisguise for Black Knights' Fortress*
10 Gleaming energyOld necklace or Necklace of Charos

*Appropriate disguises include:

  • Dulcin armour cosmetic override
  • Guard uniform
    • Bronze med helm
    • Iron chainbody
  • Black armour
    • Black full helm
    • Black platebody
    • Black platelegs
  • Dagon'hai robes
    • Dagon'hai hat
    • Dagon'hai robe top
    • Dagon'hai robe bottom
  • Elite black armour
    • Elite black full helm
    • Elite black platebody
    • Elite black platelegs
  • Black Knight captain's armour
    • Black Knight captain's helm
    • Black Knight captain's cuirass
    • Black Knight captain's gown
    • Black Knight captain's gauntlets
    • Black Knight captain's boots

Items Recommended for Quest:

2 Phoenix Lair teleports+Memory strands+Fairy Rings unlocked+Digsite Pendant
Gear to fight 5 level 50 monsters*

*Ranged suggested for Defence reasons
+Interchangeable for quick access to the Needle

Items Acquired During Quest:

Letter from Charos5 Broken shard of Sliske's maskSliske's mask

Quest Points:



Charos' clue carrier, Master clue scroll, Huge XP lamp, and 2 Treasure Hunter keys.

Start Point:

2nd Floor of Burthorpe Castle.

To Start:

Speak to Seren.


  1. Teleport to Burthorpe and climb the stairs to the second floor. Seren can be found at the far West side of a large round table with various Gielinorian gods and factions surrounding it. She will welcome you to the gathering and, once you have accepted starting the quest, a cutscene will begin after prompting you to enable sounds if you don't have them on already. In the cutscene, Seren will explain the current threat Gielinor is facing – the Elder Gods are waking up. She will suggest starting simple by contacting Bik, the Elder God most associated with nature and plant life. To do this properly, she proposes that a great garden be created to show Bik the nature and beauty that can be found on Gielinor. As you are the neutral party here, she asks that you speak with the council to discover a location, workers, and seeds with which to create this garden.

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  2. Walk around the room and speak with the various visitors. You will have 3 people to choose from for each of the necessary components of the plan: the location for the garden, who is making it, and who will supply the seeds.
    Osman – Northern DesertSir Amik Varze – White KnightsAzzanadra
    Vanescula – Swamps of MorytaniaBrundt – the FremennikGarlandia
    Zarador – Feldip Hunter GroundsMoia – UndeadKing Roland
    Once you have chosen an option for each category, you will be asked if you wish to propose them to the council. Choosing "No" will allow you to continue speaking with the council and replace any option you have currently selected while "Yes" will tell them what you have decided. When you present your choices, someone will have a reason to not like one of them and you will be allowed to revise your plan. You can choose to either simply talk to another person to replace any option(s) you desire or you can lobby/log out to completely reset your choices.

    As your choices will ALWAYS fail, it is quickest to simply speak to a different person to change your choice and present again.

  3. Once it has failed for the third time, Kerapac will appear and make a snide remark about the Dragonkin not being invited before he informs the council that he has another plan that may work. The council will almost unanimously agree to give this method a try as they could not agree on Seren's garden plan details. Once it is decided to follow Kerapac's plan, Thok will decide that he wants to be part of the "great battle" and insist on joining you. Unable to convince Thok otherwise, Kerapac will easily give up and tell you to meet him at the Needle where he will explain the details of the plan.

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  4. You can reach the Needle several different ways: Eagles' Peak Lodestone then walk North West through the Piscatoris Hunter Area (or take the boat up to Piscatoris Fishing Colony and walk West), teleport to the Memorial to Guthix using Memory strands, use Fairy ring A-K-Q then walk North West, or use a Phoenix Lair teleport and walk North West. Note that these methods are listed from longest to shortest walking distance.

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  5. When you arrive to the Needle, speak with Kerapac. He will talk about how he can feel the Anima in the Needle moving about and that you should be able to feel it as well; choose any reaction to continue. Moving forward he will explain what the three of you will be doing. Thok will of course not understand any of this and you can choose whichever response to him you like before he asks what needs to be done to make it work. Kerapac will explain that he is going to try to attune the Needle, however, this will cause temporal instabilities which you will need to close. This can be done by simply clicking them to squeeze them closed. These will be found just North of the Needle, on the West side of the river, near the front West corner of the house, and in each bedroom on the second floor of the house (See map below).

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  6. After removing all five of the disturbances, return to the Needle and speak with Kerapac. He will attempt something that will fail as "the Needle will not work without the whims of its keeper". He will then suggest that it may be possible to trick it with the help of a great enchanter, Charos. You will now need to return to his tomb.

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  7. This area can be reached a few different ways. You can either teleport to Seers' Village and squeeze through the bars on the North Eastern section of the fence or you can use Fairy Rings code A-L-S. Both of these methods will grant you access to McGrubor's woods and from here, you will then need to climb down the "Mysterious hole" just South of the building.

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  8. Once inside the tomb, walk to the main cavern and investigate the coffin. Doing so, you will receive a Letter from Charos. You will find it is a personal message from Charos inviting you to one last "waltz" in order to find him. He has hidden 3 enchanted keys around Gielinor which you must now find to enable the Old necklace (or Necklace of Charos) to break his disguise so that you can officially meet.

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  9. Be sure you have either version of the necklace then head to one of the 3 locations, these can be done in any order – outside the Empty Throne Room at the Digsite, East of the entrance within the Black Knights' Fortress (be sure to wear a disguise!), and on the second floor of Varrock castle within the bathroom to the East of the stairs (near the tub). For quest efficiency, it is suggested to do the Varrock location last. When you reach your desired location, step on the yellow portal and you will be teleported to an area that looks similar to Charos' tomb.

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  10. In the middle area you will see a slider puzzle that will currently not move. To be able to solve the slider, you must first unlock 2 or more chests in the surrounding rooms. In order to open the rooms, you will need to step on the various colored portals around the main room. Stepping on one of the portals will cause some of the doors to the surrounding rooms to open. There is no particular pattern to which ones you need to step on, simply choose whichever one(s) you like until the desired door opens – empty rooms hold no significance.

    Logging out or lobbying while in one of the three locations will completely reset that location's puzzle, you will have new chests to unlock and a new slider to solve!

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  11. When a door opens to a room containing a chest, you will now be able to solve that puzzle to decipher part of the pattern you will need to create with the slider puzzle; once opened, you do not need to check each individual chest for the slider code, you can wait to look until you have unlocked all chests in the area. In total, there are 5 different puzzles that you may encounter when opening the chests. All chests are unlocked using 4 letters. These can be selected by clicking the arrows below the desired lock and clicking the "Enter" button when you have made your selections. If you need to clear your choices, you can exit the window and try to unlock the chest again.
    • Single item – There will be a single item on the floor of that room - This item cannot be collected. You will need to choose a four-letter word which represents what that item is and use that as the code to unlock the chest.


      • Black claw = C-L-A-W
      • Clean herbs = H-E-R-B
      • Logs = L-O-G-S
      • Abyssal whip = W-H-I-P
    • Multiple items – When there are 4 items on the ground in the room (these items cannot be collected), you will use the first letter of each item for the code. Note that the code can be farthest to closest item or closest to farthest item and the items cannot be picked up.

      Law talisman, Bread, Blood rune, Karamjan rum = L-B-B-K or K-B-B-L

    • Old Recipe – This puzzle will have an old recipe on the ground and has 2 possible ways that it may need to be solved
      • the first letter of the ingredient items
        • 100 grams of Vanilla
        • 7 Scoops of Queen black dragon eggs
        • 115 grams of Potatoes
        • 4 handfuls of Krandorian hops
      • the amount of the ingredients used and converted into Roman numerals (See coin section for conversion)
        • 500 grams of Jangerberries
        • 10 cups of Dwarven stout
        • 1,000 grams of Anchovies
        • 50 grams of Ice
      You may need to try both methods if the recipe is like the second example.
    • Coins – This code will be based on the Roman numeral that each coin pile represents - Coins cannot be collected. It is best to examine each set of coins as it will tell you how many there are and enables you to have a record in case you forget the order.
      • 1 = I
      • 5 = V
      • 10 = X
      • 50 = L
      • 100 = C
      • 500 = D
      • 1,000 = M
      So, coin piles of 1,000, 10, 5, and 100 would give you code M-X-V-C.
    • Plaque – There will be a plaque on the outside of the room. Reading it will provide you with the crests for 4 locations. This code will be the first letter of each city crest presented. So, Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (10) Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (11) Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (12) Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (13) would be C-F-V-L for the code.
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (14)Al KharidDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (15)Ardougne (East)Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (16)Ashdale
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (17)Bandit CampDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (18)BurthorpeDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (19)Canifis
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (20)CatherbyDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (21)Draynor VillageDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (22)Eagles' Peak
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (23)EdgevilleDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (24)FaladorDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (25)Fremennik Province
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (26)KaramjaDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (27)LumbridgeDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (28)Lunar Isle
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (29)MenaphosDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (30)Oo'glogDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (31)Port Sarim
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (32)PrifddinasDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (33)Seers' VillagetDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (34)Taverley
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (35)TirannwnDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (36)VarrockDesperate Times - RuneScape Guide (37)Wilderness
      Desperate Times - RuneScape Guide (38)Yanille
  12. Once you solve the chest puzzles, you can search the last chest to discover the solution for the slider puzzle; be sure to either write this solution down or take a screen shot of it. Note that you can search the other chests sooner, but it is only necessary to check the last chest as it reveals the entire solution while the sooner ones only show part. Orient your view to the North, then click a tile near the empty space to move that tile into it. You will only be able to move 1 tile at a time. It is suggested to begin by solving any one side of the puzzle then solving the last 6 tiles.

    If you log out or lobby before solving, you will need to complete a whole new set of puzzles for this location!

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  13. When you have successfully matched the slider puzzle to the solution, the room will shake and an enchanted key will briefly appear before it is added automatically to your necklace. Continue on to the other two locations and repeat the same puzzle process as above.

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  14. Upon completing the third and final slider puzzle, in addition to the key being added to your necklace, a strange phrase will enter your mind that seems rather familiar. Head to the Varrock library with your newly enchanted necklace, not that you will be able to detect any difference about it, and speak with Reldo.

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  15. When initiating the conversation, you will be given the option to use the necklace. Do so to break Charos' disguise and truly see him. Choose whichever greeting you'd like and, after a brief discussion, Kerapac and Thok will join you in the library. Charos and Thok will have a short battle of names before Kerapac interrupts and broaches the reason they came searching for him. Thok will insist that you should just stare it down, with minimal encouragement from Charos, he runs off to do just that. You will now need to give Charos: 3 Rune bars, 2 Runite stone spirits, 10 Mind runes, and 10 Gleaming energy to create the item that has been requested. If you have these items with you, you can quickly hand them over and continue. If you do not have these items, you will now have the opportunity to collect them and bring them to Charos.

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  16. Once he has been given the items, your screen will blacken and you will pick up a random book to pass the time. In the end it turns out to be called "The Dusty Asgarnian Maid", though it initially says Lusty as it is dirty. After a brief wait, as Charos makes the item for Kerapac, your view will return and the three of you will need to rejoin Thok at the Needle.

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  17. Equip and pack any gear necessary to fight five separate level 50 enemies (They have no weakness, but Ranged is recommended as they use Magic), then travel once again to the Needle via whatever method you choose. When you arrive, speak to Kerapac. Before there is a chance to test the new item and attune the Needle, Gail will intervene and you will need to enter the Needle on your own. Kerapac will warn you that he has no idea what you will see or what you must do to attune the Needle and reminds you to not let whatever happens there distract you from your mission.

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  18. Your screen will fade and you will find yourself in an area that looks like the Guthix shrine. As you walk to the end of the hall, 5 clones of Sliske will appear in specific locations (See map below). You will need to defeat each one of these to obtain a Broken shard of Sliske's mask. Once you have obtained all 5 shards, you can combine them into Sliske's mask.

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  19. Don the mask and continue down the stairs toward Guthix. Click Guthix to kill him. This will begin a cutscene from when you witnessed Guthix's death originally.

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  20. Once he has been killed again, you will find yourself on Naragun. Here you will need to interact with 5 memory wisps: Seren, Armadyl, Zamorak, Bandos, and Saradomin (See map for locations).

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  21. After interacting with each wisp, Guthix himself will appear in the Fairy Ring to the Eastern side of Naragun. You will have a relatively brief conversation about the actions he took during his life. You can choose any option after he berates himself. He will ask you to do a better job than he did before your screen once again fades out.

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  22. When you can see again, you will find yourself once more at Guthix's shrine. This time you will see a projection of the Needle spewing anima as it always has. You will need to switch each of the four Mutable Anima once, so that the green energy hits Kerapac instead of Gail.

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  23. You will then be teleported to an area that looks like the Empyrean Citadel. You can stop and listen to Sliske if you wish, but it is not necessary. Enter the Room to the West. Here you will need to pass several obstacles to access the next room (See map). Continue around the citadel. Every other room will contain either Kerapac or Sliske talking about various plans; once again, these can be ignored or listened to if you have time. When you reach the final room, step through the doors to the South. This will present you with a cutscene of when Kerapac destroyed the Stone of Jas before teleporting you to the final room within Sliske's labyrinth.

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  24. Once again you will need to switch all of the Mutable Anima to direct it to Kerapac. This time, however, multiple levels are involved. On the ground floor, switch the one in the North West corner then enter the temporal rift South of it (1). This will teleport you to the second level. Here you will want to switch the both Anima directly in front of you, then enter rift 2. You will now be on the 3rd level with Gail directly in front of you. Walk toward her and switch the last Mutable Anima. If everything has been adjusted appropriately, the Anima will now aim toward Kerapac on the ground and you will be teleported to an area that looks like Elite Dungeon 2.

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  25. Within this area, you will need to unlock the ability to turn some of the Mutable Anima by collecting 3 different wisps. It is suggested to do this first so that they can be turned without having to backtrack multiple times. Simply collect all 3 wisps, then return to the beginning and adjust the Anima as necessary. After you have made your adjustments, your screen should fade to a cutscene. If it does not, you can walk to where the Black Stone Dragon spawns to find Kerapac in the middle of 4 rifts. See which one(s) is not feeding him anima and travel through that rift to see why it isn't sending any.

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  26. During the cutscene, you will learn more about Kerapac's true plans to sacrifice Gielinor for the good of other worlds. Gail will once again become Primrose and Kerapac will gain her powers as the one who controls the Needle. He will teleport the Needle away then fly off, leaving the four of you there. Charos and Thok will both be super angry with what has transpired. Primrose will be a bit confused and wish to see her mother.

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  27. Return to the Burthorpe castle and speak with Seren. You will inform the council about what Kerapac has done as well as what his plans are.

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Congratulations, quest complete!

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This Quest Guide was written by ChathMurrpau.
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